Carl, I really appreciate your comment. I can respect that when given the right group of people and an interesting topic the discussion and the interaction can be great. My problem is that we have a very short period of time and it is a requirement to pass the test to continue in the program. That and it is really dry material. The other problem we have is there is not alot of technology to use in the begining of the course. We use some online material and some on disc. We are limited in what we can change about the course and use in it. I will be starting a new class soon and I have some ideas on how to try and make it more interesting. I hope to see the class get more interested and more involved in the entire course with these new approaches.