Loren, you are quite correct. The comment regarding "salvaging" students is just a descriptor of an attitude that some faculty have about working with under prepared or underachieving students. I see some faculty struggling with a perception that providing learning resources outside of class is equivalent to "coddling" or "hand-holding". The perception is that this creates an unrealistic environment that won't be available to students when they get into the industry. I would like to see some change in the faculty culture that allows room for making an impact on students who with a little extra assistance can succeed and realize their education and career goals. Student motivation is something that can be positively or negatively impacted by faculty in and outside of the classroom. My challenge is to lead the discussion in that direction and help create an environment of openness about what some of these students can achieve with a little extra support.