kate, well stated and I would also like to add that while students are like instructors in many ways this does not condone instructors acting like students. In other words, we as instructors are professionals and our students have not yet reached that level. This of course is our goal as we matriculate our students through the curriculum but we cannot expect the same level of maturity from our students as we expect from ourselves. I know this is a touchy topic as in Career Colleges we want to think of our students as professionals but the reality is they tend to have more adolescent behaviors that still need work and we need to be ready to face those issues so by the time they do graduate they are ready to take on a more mature world. James Jackson